Re: Iran's game, Canada's move
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Posted by C. Hughes on 20:12:55 2007/04/05
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Re: Iran's game, Canada's move posted by S.A. Rizvi
The only thing I can agree with you on is that the Quaran is also a book of discipline. It has a very different idea of what "Good" is though. From a western standpoint, the Quaran teaches a goodness that we would call "Evil". Complete and total supression of self, to have no real identity beyond being a Muslim (most particularly if you are a woman) whereas we believe in freedom of self and liberty, that there is nothing wrong with the pursuit of happiness, that misery is not good. In Islam the only law that is acceptable is Islamic law, with theocracy as the only real acceptable form of government, and the West is very much against the idea of theocracy since there has never been one in any religion that has not been anything better than scary - as "superiority" as you say is even more rampant in theocratic humans who beleive they are in as near as they are to the Almighty. Democracy has it's flaws (like capitalism) but answering to the peopel you govern is the best answer we know of for decreasing that superiority. Having the possibility that you can be tossed out for not being good enough helps to put things in perspective for people.
Nobody is superior to our Creator or even to nature itself. That is why the West aims as best as it can at individual human rights and tries to promote equality. We are not completely successful by any means but it is better.
The Quran teaches and commands violence. It does not command peace. Shall I quote you some verses?? Perhaps not. You know them all I'm sure. That's what jihad is all about which you certainly know but do not say. You give nothing to back up your peace argument beyond giving your Western credentials to try and give credence to what you say. Where is the Islamic voice for peace negotiations. It is the West that is always trying unsuccessfuly to negotiate peace.
I once might have thought you could be right but seeing the thousands of Muslim angry faces filled with violence and hatred in the media in city after city when a cartoon is published depicting your Prophet, when a book that is anti-Islam is published, when a movie is produced that is anti-Islam followed by the death of the film maker, or the dancing and the celebrating in the streets by common Muslims when a mass murder is committed in London's underground trains, or when planes are crashed into New York. Celebrating mass murder and destruction, being clearly filled with hatred, that is something I never want to become, never want the West to do. There can be no peace and goodness when violence and hatred is commanded and then discpline to submit to the command is forced.
Islam is our enemy, unless it reforms itself as Christianity and Judaism have largely done. I don't suggest for a second that we should go into the Muslim world and start clearing a path through that part of the world.
I do think we should be doing everything we can to stop the spread of extremist Islam. It is our enemy. Extremist leaders have even clearly declared this repeatedly themselves. For me, I choose to believe them. Where Islam teaches violent jihad and the killing of infidels, the West only beleives in killing as a last resort... in self defence when there really is no other option, or to protect another when there is no other option, and only with the minimum force to accompish those goals. I am not a war monger. I do not want war, but if it comes my way unavoidably, when all other means have been exhausted, and the threat is real, then I support war.
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