Re: Even the left are saying that Abbas is a fraud

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Posted by Haaretz on 22:50:40 2007/06/22

In Reply to: Fund Palestinian moderates, not Mahmoud Abbas posted by CCD Media Release

Your browser does not support inline frames, or it has been configured incorrectly. If page does not display on your browser, please <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/873570.html">CLICK HERE</a>. var titleHPMeta=""; var titleSectionMeta=""; var descSectionMeta=""; var keywordsSectionMeta=""; var updateTitle = false; Mahmoud Abbas is a fiction - Haaretz - Israel News Subscribe to Print Edition | Fri., June 22, 2007 Tamuz 6, 5767 | | Israel Time: 14:57 (EST+7) /*check the search form*/ function chkSearch() { var searchItem=document.searchFund.searchWord.value; if (document.radioFund.tp[1].checked) { if (searchItem.length web haaretz.com Back to Homepage Print Edition Diplomacy Defense Opinion National Arts & Leisure Anglo File Sports Travel Magazine Week's End Q&A Business Underground Jewish World Real Estate Advertising Bookmark to del.icio.us document.write(' Digg It! new '); Mahmoud Abbas is a fiction By Israel Harel George W. Bush and Ehud Olmert looked pathetic giving their "full backing" to the broken-down crutch that is Mahmoud Abbas. Contrary to the talk in Washington, nothing has changed to open a new opportunity for negotiations over a final settlement. It is impossible to hold talks with Abbas, just like it was impossible to hold talks in the past on any kind of arrangement, and certainly not on a permanent settlement. The Hamas victory in the Gaza Strip and the establishment of a "moderate" government in Ramallah do not divide the territory into Hamastan in the Gaza Strip and Fatahstan in Judea and Samaria. This is only another illusion in the basket of Israeli illusions - a fallacy that's part of the same belief that there is an Arab leader (it used to be Yasser Arafat, and now it is Mahmoud Abbas) who wants to sign an agreement with us, and one that entails relinquishing the right of return and recognizing Israel's right to exist as a Jewish and Zionist state. It is not only the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria and their leadership who do not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a state with a Jewish and Zionist character, but as a number of recently published documents have revealed, it is a view shared by entities representing the Arab citizens of Israel too. The Palestinian government sworn in earlier this week is a fiction, even if the United States and Israel support it. In Ramallah, where this fictitious government sits, Hamas won a decisive victory in the last elections: four seats in parliament for Hamas, and only one for Fatah. In Nablus, four seats went to Hamas and two to Fatah. In Hebron: nine to Hamas and none for Fatah. In Jerusalem: four to Hamas and two for Fatah. In the cities of Judea and Samaria Hamas won 30 parliamentary seats. Fatah got only 12. Advertisement Given the circumstances, the new government does not represent the Palestinians - only Israeli illusions, and possibly also those of the Americans and the Europeans. The Israel Defense Forces cannot prevent the erosion of Fatah's military power, and it is doubtful whether it is even worth investing efforts in such futility. The experience of recent years proves that our "allies," Mohammad Dahlan among them, are only boisterous characters - corrupt and lacking any real power. They are certainly no ally of Israel. In any case, Hamas will defeat them, and Israel should prepare well for the confrontation ahead. And in a confrontation of this nature, the various Dahlans would bring no benefit, only a burden. Abbas' men lost in the fight not because Hamas militants are more brutal or better trained. If Fatah could, it would have adopted the same methods. Hamas won because the vast majority of the Gaza Strip population supports it, and this is first and foremost support for the religious ideology of the movement, which calls for the destruction of the Zionist entity. And as the elections have shown, this call is shared by the vast majority in Judea and Samaria, the area which Israeli analysts and politicians have designated for a Fatah state. Certainly since the elections, areas A and B have been controlled by Hamas. As the events in the Gaza Strip show, the fact that many countries around the world have opposed the Hamas regime did not weaken support for the group. While in Judea and Samaria, thanks to the "occupation," Israel is able to prevent, and it is important that it prevent, some of the bloodletting, it is unable to prevent the weakening, and even the disappearence of Fatah as a significant force. It is therefore time to let the truth out: Abbas is a fiction, and he cannot be saved. Bookmark to del.icio.us document.write(' Digg It! new '); Professional help Offering the finance portfolio to a successful businessman is tempting, but unwise. Palm qualms Palm trees planted along a stretch of Ibn Gvirol Street have irked residents. .txtTit { background-color : #001454; color : #FFFFFF; font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold;} .txt14 { background-color : #FFFFFF; color : #000000; font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold;} #myTD A:active{ color : #3D5BDD; font-size: 12px;} #myTD A:link{ color : #000000; font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold;} 1. So what? "Palestinian people" are a fiction too. 10:41 | Nathan | --> 21/06/07 2. fear of Godis the winer 11:28 | Dr.R.Steinbaum | --> 21/06/07 3. Abbas needs a holiday 11:29 | Big Al | --> 21/06/07 4. It`s time to recoginie reality 11:36 | Fred | --> 21/06/07 5. That`s probably it 11:41 | Uri | --> 21/06/07 6. A fiction indeed...just like the "palestinians" 11:50 | SLAVO | --> 21/06/07 7. A statement of the absolute truth 11:52 | Clickfool | --> 21/06/07 8. You have completely missed the point 11:56 | Natallie Durson | --> 21/06/07 9. The way forward 12:05 | Louis | --> 21/06/07 10. #8 NATALLIE WHAT HAS ABBAS ACTUALLY DONE SINCE BEING IN POWER ?? 12:09 | paul harris | --> 21/06/07 11. Abu Mazen must be belligerent 12:28 | Kalman | --> 21/06/07 12. #10 Paul Harris 12:33 | Natallie Durson | --> 21/06/07 13. Mutual recognition 12:38 | Andrew Watson | --> 21/06/07 14. #13 my dear watson what ARE YOU ON ABOUT ?? 13:34 | paul harris | --> 21/06/07 15. Mahmoud Abbas 13:42 | Sam | --> 21/06/07 16. Finally Some Common Sense in Ha`aretz 13:44 | Yoram | --> 21/06/07 17. we Israelis are amazing 13:50 | Omri | --> 21/06/07 18. Mostly accurate analysis, though not complete 13:52 | AK | --> 21/06/07 19. Democratic hypocrisy 14:20 | Nick Ferriman | --> 21/06/07 20. #4 YOU FACE FACTS,FRED 14:25 | Ian | --> 21/06/07 21. Abbas is not a fiction 14:54 | peace lover | --> 21/06/07 22. Louis from Malta - The first step 15:11 | Michael Jacobs | --> 21/06/07 23. The palestinians didn`t vote for him 15:20 | Walter | --> 21/06/07 24. To Fred 15:36 | Gene | --> 21/06/07 25. To Fred (cont.) 15:52 | Gene | --> 21/06/07 26. Israel Does Not Act, It Reacts 16:02 | Tony Anthony | --> 21/06/07 27. How can anyone who uses the terms "Judea" and "Samaria" complain 16:14 | Apartheid | --> 21/06/07 28. The Ultimate Brilliant Plan...Oh Yeah 16:17 | Tony Anthony | --> 21/06/07 29. Abbas teacher Husainie started the the Hollacast;insane leaders 16:28 | sam | --> 21/06/07 30. Fictions create realities sometimes 17:35 | Fortuna Benmayor | --> 21/06/07 31. Filasteens are as fictional as Abbas`s PhD thesis on Shoa 17:43 | Jo | --> 21/06/07 32. Even Golda Meir understood that Filastines are a fiction 17:50 | Drori | --> 21/06/07 33. Why are some holocaust deniers more popular than others? 17:51 | David Irving | --> 21/06/07 34. Fiction 18:03 | Lupe | --> 21/06/07 35. Israel, a fiction ? 18:03 | Dennis Loh | --> 21/06/07 36. Israel should be serious in Politics as it was serious in Wars. 18:36 | Akram Zekaria | --> 21/06/07 37. HAMAS won elections because ARAFAT appeared to be a Thief. 18:44 | Vittorio | --> 21/06/07 38. ABU QUISLING & HIS OPPORTUNISTS 19:00 | Arik Silverman | --> 21/06/07 39. indrajaya, where is Alan Johnston you promised free last Sunday 20:27 | Genuine Tosefta | --> 21/06/07 40. to 22 from the Nederlands 21:17 | Louis | --> 21/06/07 41. A Complete Illusion 22:51 | David | --> 21/06/07 42. Louis from Malta - From fiction to reality 23:06 | Michael Jacobs | --> 21/06/07 43. # 8 Pal`s desire to fight other pal`s ..... 00:22 | misha | --> 22/06/07 44. Israel Harel, A pointed piece!!! 00:45 | Dutch | --> 22/06/07 45. Thanks to Israel Harel: realist and frank comment 01:38 | nobodysacred | --> 22/06/07 46. The Absolute Truth... 06:34 | Edward | --> 22/06/07 47. To all you Fictionalists 09:45 | Filo | --> 22/06/07 48. 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